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Chapter 1 · Fractions in Disguise

Profit, loss and taxes as percentages of a stated amount

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A profit is a fact about a sale. A profit percentage is a fact about a sale and a choice of what to measure it against.

The idea

"Profit of ₹130" is a fact about a transaction; "profit of 43.3%" is a fact about a transaction and a choice of base. The chapter makes that choice visible in two ways: by following one sweater along a chain where each stage's selling price becomes the next stage's cost price, so the same rupee figure carries two different labels depending on who is speaking; and by computing one shopkeeper's profit twice, once against what she paid and once against what she took in, getting 50% and 33.33% and calling both correct. Profit percentage is conventionally taken on cost price because that answers "what did I earn on what I risked" — a convention, not a theorem, and worth knowing as one.

What you should be able to do

  • Define cost price, marked price and selling price, and identify each in a stated situation
  • Explain why one amount can be a selling price and a cost price at the same time, and locate an example in the chapter's own supply chain
  • Compute percentage profit and percentage loss on the cost price
  • Work backwards from a stated profit or loss margin to the selling price, or to the cost price
  • Compute a selling price after a stated percentage discount on a marked price, and then the profit percentage on the cost
  • Distinguish gross profit from net profit, and say which expenses belong to which
  • Compute a profit percentage on revenue and on cost for the same transaction, and say which question each answers
  • Verify the tax lines on a bill, and account for a single tax rate that is printed as two halves
  • Explain why two percentage profits on unequal cost prices cannot be added or averaged

Words to know

TermDefinition in one lineFirst introduced
cost pricewhat the seller paid to acquire the goodsprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16)
marked pricethe price the seller quotes, before any bargainingprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16)
selling pricewhat the customer actually pays, after a discountprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16)
MRPmaximum retail price, which the marked price sometimes isprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16)
profitthe excess of selling price over cost priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.17)
lossthe shortfall of selling price below cost priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.17)
profit margina profit stated as a percentage of the cost priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.17)
discountthe reduction a shop makes in a price, stated as a percentage of itprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16; glossed on p.18)
gross profitsales less the cost of the goods sold, before other expensesprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.18)
net profitgross profit less all the other expenses of running the businessprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.18)
revenuethe total sales amount over a periodprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.19)
GSTGoods and Services Tax, charged as a percentage of the priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.19)
CGSTthe central half of the GST on the printed billprinted inside the bill artwork; read on the checked Part II p.19
SGSTthe state half of the GST on the same billprinted inside the bill artwork; read on the checked Part II p.19
chosen basethe explanation's name for the amount a profit percentage is computed againstan added term; the chapter argues the idea at length and does not name it

Where people slip up

  • "Marked price and selling price are the same thing." Only when nobody bargains and there is no discount. The sweater figure separates them at every stage.
  • "Cost price is what the customer pays." It is what the seller paid. The chapter's chain exists to break this: ₹300 is what the retailer paid and what the wholesaler received.
  • "Profit percentage is profit divided by selling price." That is a legitimate figure — Manisha's 33.33% — and it is not what "profit percentage" conventionally means. The chapter prints both and says which question each answers. Teach the convention as a convention.
  • "A 20% margin means selling price times 0.8." It means cost price times 1.2. Students routinely apply the discount move to a margin.
  • "To find the cost price from a 12% loss, take 12% of the selling price and add it." The base is the cost price, which is unknown, so it is a division by 0.88 — not a multiplication by 1.12. This is the commonest error in the whole section and it produces answers that look almost right.
  • "Loss per kilogram and loss on the whole lot are different percentages." They are identical, because both parts of the ratio scale together. Raghu's item asks this directly.
  • "Gross profit and net profit are the same when there are no obvious costs." Transport, salaries and electricity are the chapter's own examples of costs that never touched the goods.
  • "5% profit and 10% loss on two items at the same selling price cancel to a 5% loss." The direction is right by accident; the size is wrong, and that is the point. The two cost prices differ — ₹80,000/1.05 ≈ ₹76,190 against ₹80,000/0.90 ≈ ₹88,889 — so the outlay is ≈ ₹1,65,079 against ₹1,60,000 received, a loss of ≈ ₹5,079, or about 3.08% of outlay, smaller than the naive 5%. Percentages sitting on different bases cannot be added or averaged in either direction, and a class that "cancels" them lands on the wrong number even when it guesses the right sign.
  • "The bill must be wrong because 9% + 9% is not 18% of anything on it." Two percentages of the same sub-total add perfectly well. The bill is arithmetically correct in every line.
Transcript1,447 words

Three prices are hiding inside one ordinary sale, and mixing them up is most of the difficulty in this subject. There is what the seller paid to get the thing, the price written on the tag, and what the customer actually handed over. Usually three different numbers, and only the last one is money that changed hands today. The tag is a proposal. The seller can cut it, and often does.

What the seller paid is not on the tag anywhere, and the customer never sees it. A profit is a fact about a sale. A profit percentage is a fact about a sale and a choice of what to measure it against. Follow one sweater from the workshop to the person who wears it. The maker spends two hundred and thirty, tags it at two hundred and fifty-five, and lets it go for two hundred and fifty-three.

The wholesaler pays two hundred and fifty-three, tags it at three hundred and ten, and lets it go for three hundred. The shop pays three hundred, tags it at four hundred and eighty, and after bargaining takes four hundred and thirty. Look at what just happened to the two hundred and fifty-three. It is what the maker took in and what the wholesaler paid out. The same number. Only the label changed.

So cost price and selling price are not properties of a number. They are positions in somebody's story. So the shop put in three hundred and took out four hundred and thirty. The profit is a hundred and thirty. Nobody argues with that. Now measure it. A hundred and thirty out of what? Out of the three hundred, because that is what the shop risked, and a profit percentage answers what you earned on what you put in.

A hundred and thirty over three hundred is forty-three point three three per cent, and the threes go on for ever. Upstream, the maker turned two hundred and thirty into two hundred and fifty-three, which is exactly ten per cent. And the wholesaler turned his into three hundred, which is eighteen point five eight. Now the same shape with the sign turned round. A seller bought rice at thirty-five a kilo and clears ten stale kilos for three hundred.

That stock cost three hundred and fifty, three hundred came back, so fifty is gone. Fifty out of three hundred and fifty. Same fraction, same base, opposite direction. It comes to fourteen point two eight five seven, and it never stops. Cut short at two places that is fourteen point two eight. Rounded it is fourteen point two nine. Two operations, two numbers, and it is worth knowing which one you just did.

Here is a question worth stopping for. Could that loss have been worked out per kilo instead? Five lost on thirty-five, rather than fifty lost on three hundred and fifty. Same percentage. Exactly the same, not nearly. Both halves of the fraction were multiplied by ten, and a fraction does not notice. Tried on every deal here at five different sizes, fifty cases, the percentage did not move once. The amount moved in all fifty.

That is the trade a percentage makes. It forgets how much, and remembers how big. Now run a margin the other way, because that is where people fall. Forwards is easy. Thirty-six at a twenty per cent margin, times one point two, forty-three point two. Backwards. Something sells for fifty at a twenty-five per cent margin. What did it cost? Not fifty less twenty-five per cent. The margin was never a percentage of fifty.

It is a division. Fifty over one point two five, which is forty. Same with a loss. Strawberries sold for eighty at a twelve per cent loss cost eighty over nought point eight eight, which is ninety point nine one. Add twelve per cent to the eighty instead and you get eighty-nine point six, close enough to be believed. But eighty-nine point six at a twelve per cent loss comes to seventy-eight point eight four eight, short of the eighty it actually sold for by one point one five two.

A discount is a percentage taken off a price nobody was going to pay. Thirty-five per cent off a cooker tagged eighteen hundred leaves eleven hundred and seventy. If the shop paid nine hundred for it, the profit is two hundred and seventy, which is thirty per cent. Two percentages in one situation, thirty-five and thirty, and they never once shared a base. The thirty-five was of eighteen hundred. The thirty was of nine hundred.

Not every cost is the cost of the goods. A shop takes eighty thousand in a month and spent forty-eight thousand buying what it sold, so thirty-two thousand is left. That is the gross profit. Sales, less the goods themselves. Then transport, wages and electricity come to eight thousand, none of which ever touched the goods, and twenty-four thousand is left. That is the net profit, and it is thirty per cent of what came in.

A bigger month runs identically. A hundred and fifty thousand in, a hundred thousand of goods, fifty thousand gross, five thousand of everything else, forty-five thousand net, thirty per cent again. Someone buys fertiliser at five hundred a bag and sells at seven hundred and fifty. The profit is two hundred and fifty. Against the five hundred she paid, that is fifty per cent. Against the seven hundred and fifty she took in, it is thirty-three point three three.

Both correct. The two hundred and fifty never moved. The thing underneath it did. The first answers what she earned on what she invested. The second answers what share of her takings was profit. And the second is always the smaller, on every one of the ten deals measured here, equal only where there was neither profit nor loss. So a business with revenue of twenty-five million and a twenty-five per cent margin spent twenty million if that margin is on cost, and eighteen point seven five million if it is on revenue.

One and a quarter million apart, and nobody said which. Now two percentages that do add, which is the other half of this. A receipt. Three bulbs at a hundred and fifty, four hundred and fifty. Then two tax lines, nine per cent each, forty point five zero each. Nine and nine of the same four hundred and fifty is eighteen per cent of it. Eighty-one. Four hundred and fifty plus eighty-one is five hundred and thirty-one, and every line on that bill is right.

Two rates on one base always add. Tried twenty different ways here, it held all twenty times. So a phone at eight thousand two hundred and fifty with eighteen per cent added is that price times one point one eight, or that price plus eighteen per cent of itself. Both give nine thousand seven hundred and thirty-five. Of seven expressions offered, exactly those two work. And now two percentages that do not add, in a situation that looks almost identical.

Someone sells two animals for eighty thousand each. On one he makes five per cent. On the other he loses ten. Five minus ten is minus five, so a five per cent loss overall. That is what almost everybody says, and it is wrong. Work out what each one cost. The first came from eighty thousand over one point nought five, about seventy-six thousand one hundred and ninety. The second came from eighty thousand over nought point nine, about eighty-eight thousand eight hundred and eighty-nine.

Not the same number, and that is the entire problem. The five and the ten are sitting on different bases. He put in about a hundred and sixty-five thousand and seventy-nine and took a hundred and sixty thousand back, so he is down about five thousand and seventy-nine. Which is three point nought eight per cent. Not five, and not the two and a half you get by averaging. The sign came out right by luck. The size never had a chance.

One last one, with no money in it anywhere. A shop prices pencils so that selling three brings in exactly what five of them cost. No price is given. None is needed. Each pencil sells for five thirds of what it cost, so the profit is two thirds of the cost. Sixty-six point six seven per cent. Cut short rather than rounded it reads sixty-six point six six, a hundredth apart.

A profit is a fact. A profit percentage is a fact and a choice. And if nobody tells you what the number underneath was, you have not actually been told a percentage.

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