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Chapter 1 · Fractions in Disguise

Tricky percentages: why a 50% margin followed by a 50% discount leaves a 25% loss

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Every percentage quietly names a number underneath it. Fifty per cent of what? That missing half of the sentence is where the mistakes live.

The idea

Every percentage silently names a base, and the moment two percentages in one story have different bases they stop behaving like numbers you can add. Surbhi's mark-up of 50% is 50% of what she paid; her discount of 50% is 50% of the larger price she had marked. So the discount takes away more than the mark-up put on, and 1.5 × 0.5 = 0.75 — a quarter of her money gone while she believed she had broken even. Every trap in this section is that one fault: percentages combine by multiplying their factors, and they may be added only when they share a base.

What you should be able to do

  • Compute the percentage gain of two offers and rank them, then rank the same two offers by amount, and explain why the two orders can disagree
  • Decide when a flat discount beats a percentage discount, and find the purchase value at which they are equal
  • Show that two successive discounts of a% and b% are not a discount of (a + b)%, and compute the single discount they are equivalent to
  • Model a mark-up followed by a discount as a product of two factors, and read the overall effect off the product
  • Explain, in terms of bases, why an equal percentage discount does not undo an equal percentage mark-up
  • Solve for the discount that exactly cancels a stated mark-up
  • Convert a statement about one quantity being k% of another into the reverse statement, correctly
  • Express a "buy n get one free" offer as a percentage discount
  • Reason about how a population must change to move a percentage by one point

Words to know

TermDefinition in one lineFirst introduced
discountthe reduction a shop makes in a price, stated as a percentage of itprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16; glossed on p.18)
profit margina profit stated as a percentage of the cost priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.17)
compoundingapplying each change to the result of the previous oneprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.22)
absolute valuethe plain amount, as opposed to the proportion it representsprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.26, in the caution box)
proportionthe share one part is of a wholeprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.14)
stock clearanceselling off remaining stock, usually at a reduced priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.26)
cost pricewhat the seller paid to acquire the goodsprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16)
selling pricewhat the customer actually pays, after a discountprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.16)
percentage lossthe loss as a percentage of the cost priceprinted in this chapter (Part II, §1.3, p.17)
successive discountsthe explanation's name for two discounts applied one after the otheran added term; the chapter shows the situation and calls it compounding
shared basethe explanation's name for the condition under which two percentages may be addedan added term, not printed

Where people slip up

  • "30% off and then 20% off is 50% off." It is 44% off. The chapter names the reason — in shopping the two are compounded — and Example 12 prices it out. This is the single most commercially relevant piece of mathematics in the chapter.
  • "A 50% mark-up is cancelled by a 50% discount." It leaves a 25% loss, because the discount is taken on the larger number. Surbhi's three-bar model is the whole proof, and it fits on one screen.
  • "The bigger percentage gain is the better offer." Option A gains 200% and hands you ₹200; Option B gains 50% and hands you ₹500. Which is better depends on what you had, which is why the chapter refuses to answer it.
  • "A percentage discount always beats a flat one." Below ₹250 on the clearance item, the flat ₹50 is better. The break-even point is the answer, not either offer.
  • "The club that grew 100% is the bigger club." It may have four members. Growth and size are different questions, and the comic exists to separate them.
  • "If mine is 120% of yours, then yours is 80% of mine." Yours is 83.33% of mine. The two statements have different bases, so the two percentages are not complementary.
  • "Buy one get one free is a 100% discount on the second item, so 100% off." It is 50% off, because you paid for one of the two items you took home. The item's printed hint — compare free items to total items received — is exactly this correction.
  • "To move 99% down to 98%, one or two people leave." Forty-nine do. Students reason about the 99 and should be reasoning about the 1.
  • "Percentages never add." They add perfectly well when they share a base — the CGST and SGST lines of the bill in Profit, loss and taxes as percentages of a stated amount add to 18% of one sub-total. The rule is about the base, not about percentages.
Transcript1,299 words

Every percentage quietly names a number underneath it. Fifty per cent of what? That missing half of the sentence is where almost every mistake in this topic lives. When two percentages in one story name the same number underneath, they add, and nothing goes wrong. When they name different numbers, they stop behaving like numbers you can add at all. And the trouble is that the wrong answer is always close enough to be believed.

Two clubs in one school, both calling themselves the fastest growing. The first has six hundred and seventy-eight members, and it grew by eighty per cent. The second grew by a hundred per cent. It doubled. A hundred per cent sounds unbeatable. But the second club has five members, so doubling brought in five people. Eighty per cent of six hundred and seventy-eight is more than five hundred new members.

The smaller club wins on proportion and loses on people, and both of those sentences are true. A percentage ranks the share. The share is not the size. The same disagreement, now in money. Two offers. Stake a hundred and get three hundred back, or stake a thousand and get one thousand five hundred back. The first hands you two hundred on a stake of a hundred. A gain of two hundred per cent.

The second hands you five hundred on a stake of a thousand. A gain of fifty per cent. Two hundred per cent against fifty. Five hundred against two hundred. The two rankings point in opposite directions, and which is better depends on whether what you have is a hundred or a thousand. The percentage has thrown the amount away. That is what a percentage is for. A shop offers a choice on any basket over a hundred and fifty. Twenty per cent off, or fifty off.

On a basket of a hundred and eighty, twenty per cent is thirty-six, so the flat fifty is better. On two hundred and twenty-five it is forty-five. Still short of fifty. On three hundred it is sixty, and now the proportion wins. So somewhere between those baskets the two offers cross, and they cross at two hundred and fifty. Below that a fixed amount is the better discount, and above it a share is.

The crossing point is the answer. Neither offer is. Two cake shops on the same street. One advertises thirty per cent off, and then twenty per cent off. The other advertises fifty per cent off, flat. Thirty and twenty make fifty, so they ought to be the same shop. Take a cake priced at two hundred. Thirty per cent off leaves a hundred and forty. Twenty per cent off that leaves a hundred and twelve. The flat fifty leaves a hundred.

Twelve apart, on a cake that started at two hundred. The whole reason sits in two words. Off that. The first discount comes off two hundred. The second comes off a hundred and forty, because that is the price by then. The second percentage is standing on a smaller number, so it removes less than you expected it to. Multiply the fractions that survive instead. Nought point seven times nought point eight is nought point five six.

So the pair is a forty-four per cent discount, whatever the cake happens to cost. And the six per cent that went missing is thirty times twenty over a hundred - the second discount's bite out of the first discount's bite. The order makes no difference either. Taking the big one first changes nothing at all. Now the same fault, with a seller's own money at stake. She buys cookware from a wholesaler and marks everything up by fifty per cent.

Sales are slow, so she clears the stock at fifty per cent off, expecting to come out level. Fifty on, fifty off. Surely that is where she started. Call what she paid x. She marks it up to one point five x. Half off that is nought point seven five x. She ends with three quarters of what the goods cost her. A twenty-five per cent loss, while she believed she had broken even.

Look at what each of those two fifties was standing on. The mark-up added fifty per cent of x. That is half of what she paid. The discount removed fifty per cent of one point five x. That is three quarters of what she paid. The same percentage. Half as much again in money, because the second base is one and a half times the first. Put real numbers on it. Stock that went out at twelve thousand had cost her sixteen thousand.

She lost four thousand. And four thousand on sixteen thousand is twenty-five per cent, the same quarter as before, which never depended on the rupees at all. So what discount would have brought her back to level? She needs one point five x pulled down to x, so the discount has to be the half she added, divided by the one and a half it is taken off. One third. Thirty-three point three three per cent.

In general a mark-up of m is undone by a discount of m over one plus m, and that is always smaller than m itself. Gentler numbers behave the same way. Thirty-five per cent on, thirty per cent off. That leaves nought point nine four five, which is a loss of five and a half per cent. It reads like a five per cent gain, and it is a loss.

The same trap fits inside a single sentence. I have twenty per cent more marbles than you. So you have twenty per cent fewer than me? No. If mine is a hundred and twenty per cent of yours, then yours is a hundred divided by a hundred and twenty of mine. Five sixths. Eighty-three point three three per cent. So you are short by one sixth, which is about sixteen point six seven per cent, and not by twenty.

Two hundred take away a hundred and twenty is eighty, and eighty is simply a different question's answer. Reversing the comparison reverses the base with it. Three shops, identical goods, a hundred each. Buy one get one free. Buy two get one free. Buy three get one free. The first feels like a hundred per cent off, because the second item cost nothing. But you handed over a hundred and walked out with two items, so each one cost you fifty. That is fifty per cent off.

Count the free items against everything you carried home, never against the ones you paid for. One in two, one in three, one in four. Fifty per cent, thirty-three point three three, and twenty-five. And if you need exactly four items, the first shop charges two hundred while both the others charge three hundred. Four is not a whole number of their deals, and the offer quietly stops helping. One last one, and it is the best of them.

Ninety-nine of the hundred people in a room are left-handed. How many must walk out for that to fall to ninety-eight per cent? Almost everybody says one, or two. The answer is fifty. Stop looking at the ninety-nine. Exactly one person in that room is right-handed, and she never moves. For her to be two per cent of the room, the room has to hold fifty. So fifty left-handers leave and forty-nine stay. Half the room walks out to move the figure by one single point.

The fixed quantity was the group nobody was counting. And underneath every one of these: percentages of one base do add - nine per cent and nine per cent of four hundred and fifty come to eighty-one - and the moment the base moves, they multiply instead.

Where this fits

Taken from the notes each video was made from, not from the reading order — these are the ideas this one rests on and the ones that later rest on it.

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