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Chapter 3 · A Story of Numbers
Roman numerals: grouping a number into tens, fives and ones
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Everything easy about Roman numerals and everything awful come from the same property of the sizes they group by.
The idea
The Roman advance is that it bundles with a sequence of sizes — 1, 5, 10, 50, 100, 500, 1000 — instead of one, so writing a number becomes a run of "take as many of the largest as you can" and the numeral collapses to a handful of letters. What it never does is make consecutive sizes related by a constant factor, and everything awkward about Roman arithmetic follows from that one omission: you must remember separately that five Cs make a D and two Vs make an X, and multiplying two symbols usually lands on a number that has no symbol at all.
What you should be able to do
- Convert a number below 40 to Roman form by taking tens, then fives, then ones
- List the seven landmark numbers the chapter names and their letters
- Convert a four-digit number to Roman form by greedy grouping from the largest landmark down
- Add two Roman numerals without converting them, regrouping at each landmark
- Explain why five hundreds must be regrouped as one D and why that step is easy to miss
- Give a reason, in terms of landmark numbers, why Roman multiplication is hard where Egyptian multiplication will turn out to be easy
- State the chapter's warning that these systems are not a chain of improvements
Words to know
| Term | Definition in one line | First introduced |
|---|---|---|
| landmark numbers | the numbers a system gives a new basic sign to, and groups by | printed in bold in this chapter (Part I, §3.2, p.58) |
| Roman number system | the system built on I, V, X, L, C, D, M | printed in bold in this chapter (Part I, §3.1, p.53) |
| numerals | the written signs of a number system | printed in bold in this chapter (Part I, §3.1, p.54) |
| abacus | the counting board Roman users worked their arithmetic on | printed in bold in this chapter (Part I, §3.2, p.60) |
| group size | the fixed count a system bundles by | printed in this chapter (Part I, §3.2, p.57) |
| Hindu numerals | the ten-sign numerals the chapter contrasts the Roman ones with | printed in this chapter (Part I, §3.2, p.59) |
| greedy grouping | taking as many of the largest available landmark as will fit, then repeating | an added term; not printed in this chapter, which states the procedure and does not name it |
| decomposition | the written sum of landmark numbers that a numeral encodes | an added term; not printed in this chapter |
Where people slip up
- "IIII is wrong, it must be IV." The chapter states outright that users were inconsistent and that XXXX occurs alongside XL. Marking a subtractive form as the only correct one imports a modern convention the page does not assert.
- "Roman numerals have no rule, you just memorise them." There is a rule and the chapter gives it: take as many of the largest landmark as fit, then move down the list. The letters are the by-product.
- "You can always tell the largest landmark by looking at the numeral." The printed addition is built to defeat this. Two numerals whose biggest letter is C can sum past 500, and the D appears from nowhere unless you are watching the count of Cs.
- "Adding Roman numerals is impossible without converting." It is not; the chapter does it. What it needs is a separate regrouping rule at each landmark, because the step from I to V is five and from V to X is two.
- "Roman multiplication is hard because the letters are unfamiliar." It is hard because a product of two signs is usually not a sign. V x L is 250, which must be written CCL. Compare the Egyptian case in the next module, where the product of two landmarks is always another landmark.
- "The Romans were bad at arithmetic." They used a board. The chapter says so, and adds that using it was a specialist skill — which is a statement about the notation, not about the people.
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You can already read this system, at least a little. One is a mark. Two is two marks. Three is three. Then something changes: four and five and six stop being marks and start being letters. There is a rule underneath that, and it is not memorisation. Take as many of the biggest thing you have as will fit, then move down to the next biggest, and keep going. The letters are what falls out at the end.
And the whole character of this system — everything easy about it and everything awful — comes from one property of the sizes it uses, which looks like a detail. Start small. Write twenty-seven. How many tens fit? Two. That is twenty, with seven to go. How many fives fit into seven? One. Two left. Then two ones. So twenty-seven is ten, ten, five, one, one. Write the letter for each, largest first, and you have it.
Notice what you did: you never had to know the numeral. You found the pieces, and the pieces have names. That is the rule for anything up to thirty-nine, and it never needs more than three of the same letter in a row. So what about fifty? By the rule so far, fifty is five tens. Five X's in a row. You could write that, and people did. But five identical letters is the row-of-marks problem again — you would have to count them.
So fifty gets a letter of its own. L. One sign instead of five, and notice how many it replaced: five. That number is going to matter in a moment. And the system now has a new size to group by, which is what makes bigger numbers writable at all. Now a wrinkle, and it is an honest one rather than a mistake. Forty, by the rule, is four tens. XXXX.
But people also wrote it as one ten LESS than fifty — a small sign in front of a big one means take it away. So forty becomes XL. The same trick gives four as one less than five, IV, instead of four marks. Both forms were used. Not one right and one wrong — both, by the same people, sometimes on the same object. Worth saying plainly, because the shorter form gets taught as the only correct one, and that is a modern tidiness.
Here is the full set of sizes the system groups by. One, five, ten, fifty, one hundred, five hundred, one thousand. Seven of them, and each has a letter. Now do what the flat list hides. Ask how many of each makes the next one up. Five ones make a five. Two fives make a ten. Five tens make a fifty. Two fifties make a hundred. Five hundreds make a five hundred, and two of those make a thousand.
Five, two, five, two, five, two. That is the whole video. Not one step size — two, alternating, all the way up. Every system you use climbs by the same factor each time. This one does not. Before we count the cost, watch the rule do something impressive. Two thousand three hundred and sixty-seven. Biggest first. How many thousands? Two. Three hundred and sixty-seven left. Hundreds? Three. Sixty-seven left. One fifty. Then one ten, one five, and two ones.
Ten pieces, and every one of them has a letter. A four-figure number in ten signs, by a procedure you could teach in a minute. The system is genuinely good at this. Which is why it is worth being precise about where it is not. You can add two of these without turning either into a number first. Take two hundred and thirty-two and four hundred and thirteen, in their own letters. Pour them together and count each kind.
Five ones, four tens, six hundreds. Now tidy from the bottom. Five ones become one five. The tens are fine, four is under the limit. And the hundreds — six of them. Five hundreds make a five hundred, so trade five for one D and keep the one left over. The answer has a D in it. Look at what you started with: the biggest letter in either numeral was C.
The largest sign present is not the largest sign reachable, and that is where people lose this sum. But look at what you had to remember to do that. Five ones for a five. Then TWO fives for a ten. Then five tens for a fifty. Then two fifties for a hundred. Those are not four facts. They are the steps between the landmarks, read off the same ladder. Five, two, five, two — the same alternation, showing up as the thing your hands have to do.
And it has to be remembered separately at each rung, because there is no single number that works. Trade at five everywhere on a different sum and you end up with three fives and three fifties still standing. That is not a numeral. One ladder, two step sizes, and the arithmetic inherits both. Addition survives that. Multiplication does not. Multiply five by fifty. Two hundred and fifty. An ordinary number, and the system has no sign for it — you write two hundreds and a fifty.
Now multiply ten by a hundred. One thousand, landing exactly on a landmark. One letter. So some products land on the ladder and some fall between the rungs. Which ones? Take every pair of landmarks whose product the ladder could hold at all. Twenty-two of the twenty-five land on it. So the ladder is not unruly everywhere. Only three pairs miss. And every one of those three involves a landmark that a five-step landed on.
The two-steps are fine. It is the fives that throw products off the ladder. There is a second problem, and it is blunter. Multiply fifty by five hundred. Twenty-five thousand. The largest sign this system has is one thousand. So twenty-five thousand is twenty-five of them in a row. Nothing but M, twenty-five times. The row-of-marks problem again, at the top of the ladder instead of the bottom. Every fix this system found was a new sign for a new size, and that works until you run out of signs.
Answering bigger numbers by inventing more letters does not solve the problem. It postpones it. And people knew. The hard arithmetic was done on a counting board, by people trained to use one. One thing to be careful about before going on. It is tempting to lay these systems in a line and call each an improvement on the last. That is not what happened. The real history is tangled, much of it unknown, and systems overlapped for centuries.
The Romans were not bad at arithmetic. They had a tool, and the tool worked. We are comparing notations, not people — how much work a way of writing makes you do. And on that question this system has one weakness, which we can now say exactly. It is not the letters, and it is not the subtraction trick. It is that consecutive sizes are not related by a constant factor.
Compare. Build a ladder that climbs by ten every time: one, ten, a hundred, a thousand. Same reach. But now ask the two awkward questions again. What do you trade at each rung? Ten. At every rung. One number to remember, not two. And which products land on the ladder? Every single one that fits. Not most. All of them. That is the same test that gave three misses before, and on this ladder it gives none.
One property, and it fixes both things at once. So take stock of what this system did get. It grouped by a sequence of sizes instead of one, which is what makes a four-figure number fit in ten signs. It found that a new size deserves a new sign, and it made the writing mechanical: biggest first, work down, letters at the end. What it never did was make the sizes climb evenly.
So an adder carries two rules instead of one, a multiplier keeps falling between the rungs, and the whole thing stops dead at its largest letter. The next system in this story climbs by ten every time, and the difference is immediate. Its landmarks multiply into each other cleanly, which turns multiplication into something you can do by doubling. The advantage will not look like better letters. It will look like a ladder with even rungs.
Where this fits
Taken from the notes each video was made from, not from the reading order — these are the ideas this one rests on and the ones that later rest on it.
Builds on
- Counting in twos, and what number-names reveal about a culture's baseClass 8 · Ch 3, A Story of Numbers
- Why any number system needs a fixed, ordered sequence of symbolsClass 8 · Ch 3, A Story of Numbers
Comes up again in
- The Egyptian system, and what a landmark number is forClass 8 · Ch 3, A Story of Numbers
- What "base n" means, and why ten is a choice not a lawClass 8 · Ch 3, A Story of Numbers